Comments on: The Truth About Wolves http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/ Record Your Own Legend Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:05:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Julie http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2990 Julie Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:39:31 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2990 I didnt watch the video but I just had a comment for you about what you said. The climate will change population numbers on wolves...Im writing a research paper for my college and I agreed in the beginning that wolves should be hunted but once you learn all the research done, the statistics, not just myths then people will be more accepting of wolves. I even came from a ranching town and only a few rare cases have come up where wolves did take some livestock. I believe that people only want to hunt the wolf just to satisfy what they believe. Get the facts people! I didnt watch the video but I just had a comment for you about what you said. The climate will change population numbers on wolves…Im writing a research paper for my college and I agreed in the beginning that wolves should be hunted but once you learn all the research done, the statistics, not just myths then people will be more accepting of wolves. I even came from a ranching town and only a few rare cases have come up where wolves did take some livestock. I believe that people only want to hunt the wolf just to satisfy what they believe. Get the facts people!

]]> By: Stacey Huston http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2518 Stacey Huston Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:38:16 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2518 Tom. Thanks for this video. I live right smack dab in the center of this problem and have wittnessed it first hand, the cow calf ratios are very scary for the future of these magnificent animals. It is no longer about weather or not our children will be able to hunt elk, it is weather or not they will remember seeing them. The Moose are already in grave danger. I don't hate the wolves either, in fact I love to see them and photograph them, but there has to be a balance. They are completely disrupting the ecosystem of NW Wyoming. The one pack in Yellowstone had several black wolves in it, that " dissapeared" from the park this year. stangely 5 wolves showed up in a valley we freqent often. all black and all male...hmmm.. doesn't take a scientist or biologist to figure that out. these wolves are all dead now as they immediatly started preying on a friend of ours cows.. predetor control had to step in.. I know a young lady tfrom here that works for the wolf recovery program. She was in Yellowstone all last year and when I tried to contact her in January when we were going to the park to take pictures, I was told that she is now in Washington state... there are not supposed to be any wolves there... but now I see were people on the net are spotting wolves there and in Oregon... A tough issue.. but one that has to have a balance, if people would just get off the extremes... thanks again for this video.. Tom. Thanks for this video. I live right smack dab in the center of this problem and have wittnessed it first hand, the cow calf ratios are very scary for the future of these magnificent animals. It is no longer about weather or not our children will be able to hunt elk, it is weather or not they will remember seeing them. The Moose are already in grave danger.
I don’t hate the wolves either, in fact I love to see them and photograph them, but there has to be a balance. They are completely disrupting the ecosystem of NW Wyoming. The one pack in Yellowstone had several black wolves in it, that ” dissapeared” from the park this year. stangely 5 wolves showed up in a valley we freqent often. all black and all male…hmmm.. doesn’t take a scientist or biologist to figure that out. these wolves are all dead now as they immediatly started preying on a friend of ours cows.. predetor control had to step in.. I know a young lady tfrom here that works for the wolf recovery program. She was in Yellowstone all last year and when I tried to contact her in January when we were going to the park to take pictures, I was told that she is now in Washington state… there are not supposed to be any wolves there… but now I see were people on the net are spotting wolves there and in Oregon… A tough issue.. but one that has to have a balance, if people would just get off the extremes… thanks again for this video..

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]]> By: Tom Sorenson http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2176 Tom Sorenson Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:39:05 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2176 Interesting, Othmar. I reckon every region has their own issues between some type of predator and game - and the fight goes on between the two sides. FYI - I'm moving this discussion to the forum if you'd all like to continue to participate, <a href="http://basecamplegends.com/forum/topic/wolf-debate" rel="nofollow">check out the forum thread here</a>. It might be easier to keep track of what's going on. Interesting, Othmar. I reckon every region has their own issues between some type of predator and game – and the fight goes on between the two sides. FYI – I’m moving this discussion to the forum if you’d all like to continue to participate, check out the forum thread here. It might be easier to keep track of what’s going on.

]]> By: othmar Vohringer http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2175 othmar Vohringer Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:24:18 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2175 Tom – Like I said at the beginning of my post “I play devils advocate” My comment was general observations about the hunter v. wolf debate. I also stated that wolves do need to be managed. I have no clue about the exact figures in the Yellowstone Park. Of course I still come around and read your blog. We’re not fighting we’re debating and exchange opinions. Just to make my point clear again, using another species that seems to ruffle hunters around here (BC). According to the Teddy Bear huggers the grizzly is near extinction. According to hunters there is a grizzly behind every tree “stealing” our game animals. Fact is there is a grizzly population of about 15’000 in our province and that is well within the habitat carrying capacity. Most hunters think that there are to many bears "stealing our elk" and so they should be killed. It's this competition Gary –A healthy ecosystem is where wildlife, including predators, can co-exist without threatening the survival of a species. Humans do play a roll in that system too but it does not mean that humans should replace other predators. The reason many predators have been eradicated in some parts of the world is pure and simple due to the greed of humans that are not willing to share “their” game with other "hunters". If, as I said in another post, wolves and other predators are managed like any other wildlife we can life together in a harmony as nature, or Good if you will, intended it. For me, as a hunter conservationist, that harmony based on balance is important. I believe if conservation is solely aimed at pleasing our desires it will fail in the long run. Terry – That human hunters do not kill for the sheer fun of it and don’t waste meat is an age-old mantra that cannot be applied to nature or should serve as an excuse to eradicate predators, not that you imply that. Humans have ethical and moral values and these are manmade and change from culture to culture. Morals and ethics should not be used as any sort of guide in conservation because it has place in nature. When we attempt to control nature we have to do it strictly based on science and nothing else. Of course, that is wishful thinking because humans do the conservation and with that political leanings and back scratching are often more important then science. We see that here in BC. We have an exploding elk population and science says to kill as many elk cow and fawns as possible. Politic says that killing elk cows and “cuddly” fawns will not go down well in public and with the animal rights. This is often the biggest dilemma with conservation, be that elk, bears or wolves. -ov- Tom – Like I said at the beginning of my post “I play devils advocate” My comment was general observations about the hunter v. wolf debate. I also stated that wolves do need to be managed. I have no clue about the exact figures in the Yellowstone Park. Of course I still come around and read your blog. We’re not fighting we’re debating and exchange opinions.

Just to make my point clear again, using another species that seems to ruffle hunters around here (BC). According to the Teddy Bear huggers the grizzly is near extinction. According to hunters there is a grizzly behind every tree “stealing” our game animals. Fact is there is a grizzly population of about 15’000 in our province and that is well within the habitat carrying capacity. Most hunters think that there are to many bears “stealing our elk” and so they should be killed. It’s this competition

Gary –A healthy ecosystem is where wildlife, including predators, can co-exist without threatening the survival of a species. Humans do play a roll in that system too but it does not mean that humans should replace other predators. The reason many predators have been eradicated in some parts of the world is pure and simple due to the greed of humans that are not willing to share “their” game with other “hunters”. If, as I said in another post, wolves and other predators are managed like any other wildlife we can life together in a harmony as nature, or Good if you will, intended it. For me, as a hunter conservationist, that harmony based on balance is important. I believe if conservation is solely aimed at pleasing our desires it will fail in the long run.

Terry – That human hunters do not kill for the sheer fun of it and don’t waste meat is an age-old mantra that cannot be applied to nature or should serve as an excuse to eradicate predators, not that you imply that. Humans have ethical and moral values and these are manmade and change from culture to culture. Morals and ethics should not be used as any sort of guide in conservation because it has place in nature. When we attempt to control nature we have to do it strictly based on science and nothing else. Of course, that is wishful thinking because humans do the conservation and with that political leanings and back scratching are often more important then science. We see that here in BC. We have an exploding elk population and science says to kill as many elk cow and fawns as possible. Politic says that killing elk cows and “cuddly” fawns will not go down well in public and with the animal rights. This is often the biggest dilemma with conservation, be that elk, bears or wolves.

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]]> By: Chip http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2173 Chip Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:15:36 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2173 Kills me how the anti's will permit one species to suffer just to prevent hunting. I agree w/ Gary, let the locals make the choice on how to handle and leave the national no-no groups out of it. Kills me how the anti’s will permit one species to suffer just to prevent hunting. I agree w/ Gary, let the locals make the choice on how to handle and leave the national no-no groups out of it.

]]> By: Gary Sorenson http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2168 Gary Sorenson Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:48:48 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2168 If I read this right there is a common thread here that we all agree on,- Management. We might not agree on their existance, but we do agree they are here to stay so for goodness sakes, put there management into the hands of those that deal with that sort of thing on a daily basis and get it out of the courts. Easier said then done. If I read this right there is a common thread here that we all agree on,- Management. We might not agree on their existance, but we do agree they are here to stay so for goodness sakes, put there management into the hands of those that deal with that sort of thing on a daily basis and get it out of the courts. Easier said then done.

]]> By: Terry Scoville http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2167 Terry Scoville Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:33:27 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2167 Alright now, Othmar yes you have a valid point regarding coexisting and Tom you are right on track. Managed to coexist, that is the key. Gary and Tom I agree with you both. Another point Gary is that we (human Predators) typically do not kill and leave meat behind. We do not kill for the SAKE of killing just to do so. We kill in order to use as much of that animals meat as we can save to feed our families.To use the hides for whatever other uses we see fit. That is our POINT to hunting. We do not hunt with a "pack" mentality for sport whenever the whim strikes us and then leave good meat behind to rot and be wasted, having eaten only a partial hind quarter. That is what those of us who are ethical, responsible hunters call poachers, in human terms. Management is key and until that occurs we will all suffer the consequences. As hunters we will continue to see the herd animal numbers decline and be left with much less possibility of harvesting an animal. Whatever happened to Common Sense? Like the saying goes " If common sense were so common, more people would have it". I'm disgusted with the whole mess. Alright now, Othmar yes you have a valid point regarding coexisting and Tom you are right on track. Managed to coexist, that is the key. Gary and Tom I agree with you both. Another point Gary is that we (human Predators) typically do not kill and leave meat behind. We do not kill for the SAKE of killing just to do so. We kill in order to use as much of that animals meat as we can save to feed our families.To use the hides for whatever other uses we see fit. That is our POINT to hunting. We do not hunt with a “pack” mentality for sport whenever the whim strikes us and then leave good meat behind to rot and be wasted, having eaten only a partial hind quarter. That is what those of us who are ethical, responsible hunters call poachers, in human terms. Management is key and until that occurs we will all suffer the consequences. As hunters we will continue to see the herd animal numbers decline and be left with much less possibility of harvesting an animal. Whatever happened to Common Sense? Like the saying goes ” If common sense were so common, more people would have it”. I’m disgusted with the whole mess.

]]> By: Tom Sorenson http://www.basecamplegends.com/2008/12/the-truth-about-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-2166 Tom Sorenson Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:44:17 +0000 http://basecamplegends.com/?p=629#comment-2166 That's a good point - I mentioned to Terry that the biologist in Burns who told us about the cat problem - when we asked if we could use his name - and even have him do an interview on film - for our video we did of the deer hunt in the Steens, he wanted nothing to do with that. He wanted no mention of his name at all - can't say that I blame him for his job's sake, but it does make a person wonder...? For the sake of being fair - I'm not sure wolves are the same as giving EVERY human an open tag to shoot whatever, whenever, etc....I mean, human numbers far outnumber wolf numbers...but I do get your point. Just thought I'd throw that out there, though. I guess you're not making an argument that it is the same effect, though - just that it is kind of the same idea - the wolf is a killing machine for sure with no regards to who/what/how it kills. Anyways - back to the discussion...it's getting good - Keep 'em comin' folks! That’s a good point – I mentioned to Terry that the biologist in Burns who told us about the cat problem – when we asked if we could use his name – and even have him do an interview on film – for our video we did of the deer hunt in the Steens, he wanted nothing to do with that. He wanted no mention of his name at all – can’t say that I blame him for his job’s sake, but it does make a person wonder…?

For the sake of being fair – I’m not sure wolves are the same as giving EVERY human an open tag to shoot whatever, whenever, etc….I mean, human numbers far outnumber wolf numbers…but I do get your point. Just thought I’d throw that out there, though. I guess you’re not making an argument that it is the same effect, though – just that it is kind of the same idea – the wolf is a killing machine for sure with no regards to who/what/how it kills. Anyways – back to the discussion…it’s getting good – Keep ‘em comin’ folks!

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