Comments on: First Idaho Wolf Kill

By: Tom Sorenson

Tom Sorenson — Mon, 03 May 2010 23:48:31 +0000

Sonny, You mention facts, but then you don’t site sources….that’s called opinion.

I live with wolves, Sonny. You can’t argue that point. It’s easy to sit from a distance and say, “this is what I’ve read about wolves, etc, etc…” But a totally different thing to watch them, watch their effect on livestock (you are supremely foolish to believe they only prey on weak – nay, that’s idiotic, and grossly shows that you in fact don’t know anything about wolves outside of what you’ve read about them from biased sources.)

This conversation hits too close to home and I’m weary of responding to people who have no clue – comments closed.

By: Sonny Culkin

Sonny Culkin — Mon, 03 May 2010 23:35:48 +0000

lmao, and shaun you must be an idiot you have singled out lines of his argument and extrapolated on them way beyond anything he mentioned.
would you like me to send you a coloring book to keep you busy?

By: Sonny Culkin

Sonny Culkin — Mon, 03 May 2010 23:32:34 +0000

Haha, you guys are idiots.
There’s plenty of states without any wolves, why couldn’t you move them?
FYI anyone who think elk or over harvested or livestock is being killed “at an alarming rate” should look at facts
I think you “civilized people” need to sort out your facts.
Number one, the elk population may be smaller, but way more healthy, fecundity and recruitment is higher than ever, and trophy animals are much more common, as i’m sure you know wolves prey on the weak as nature intended.
Number 2, feral dogs and coyotes (mainly feral dogs) kill way more livestock than wolves. When wolves come back, those animals will go down – overall this means that LESS livestock will be killed
Number 3, livestock are more likely to be killed by tb which are from ELK, not bison.
Number 4 it is immorally wrong to believe that you as a creature yourself has the right right to try and push a species to extinction, first it was genocide of the native american indians and now specieside of the wolf and coyotes if you could.

Wise up and face facts, you are a bad person if you believe that a wolf hunt is called for, give one good reason why natures balance should not be restored in other states?!

Oh and any politician out there, why did you do this? I mean it’s the educated people who vote not these illiterate apes
Oh and this is not a grind on hunters, this is aimed at the people who think “wolves are so bad” etc etc

By: Jeff Sorenson

Jeff Sorenson — Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:38:28 +0000

The idea that wolves go after only the weak and sick animals is a big myth. I remember when I was younger and we had a livestock farm. At that time we were raising sheep. We had about 300 or so that year. We also had a dog named Andi. Andi was a Great Pyrenees. She weighed about 80 to 90 pounds. Since we had gotten her as a pup she had spent all her time with the sheep that we had. If they went somewhere she went along with them. She was a great guard dog who seemed to think of the sheep as her family. One day we went looking for her because we could not find her. All we found of her was some of her fur and signs that she had put up a great fight with the animals that killed her. The next week we had a trapper from the state come in and he trapped nine wolves in the middle of our pasture. Now she was not the sick or the lame, she was preventing them from getting to the livestock they wanted so they killed her. So if you think that wolves only kill weak or injured I am here to tell you that you are sadly mistaken.

By: Tom Sorenson

Tom Sorenson — Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:24:59 +0000

Shaun -

I have a very real problem with your argument – you claim that humans have a “misplaced sense of superiority” I don’t understand why that is misplaced? I, and most people, value animal life, but we’re also aware that human life IS more valuable than animal life, and to belive otherwise is scary.

You claim you’re not a vegetarian nut – so I have to assume then that you eat meat – and if you eat meat, but believe animal life to be just as sacred, or even more so, than human life – that scares the willies outta me…it’s like saying canabalism is ok.

Anyways – it’s a rather pointless argument. We’re not changing our minds, and I don’t reckon you’ll be changing yours anytime soon. So why argue about it? Like I said before, if you don’t like the views expressed here, look somewhere else – you’ll feel better not getting all worked up over contrary views. If we spend all our time angry at people who believe in something different than what we believe in, we waste our life.

By: Shaun Schon

Shaun Schon — Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:09:50 +0000

First of, I’d like to say that I’m not a fake poster, but I don’t have my own website and dont intend to create one simply to prove I’m genuine. I’m not some vegetarian nut, and I do apologize for my harsh comments earlier, but I did find the whole article and photograph to be distasteful. I don’t believe that hunting is some great evil that many so called environmentalists like to portray it to be, but they are no the ones to upset the balance of nature the way many of you portray them to be. I don’t appreciate this demonizing of the species. Nature has always found a way to maintain a balance without our intervention, so don’t give me that bull about trying to maintain the balance of nature. If the wolf population is a problem then relocate them. There are plenty of animals rights activists, many of them looney, who would contribute generously to the effort. I have a problem of over population of humans in the area I live in and it’s affecting the balance of nature. Over a hundred species of birds and mammals are directly threatened, so should we introduced natural predators to prey on humans? I don’t deny that hunting is natural and I believe it was something fundamental to our evolution, but I have my doubts about the kind of hunting we’re talking bout here. Besides there is no glory, honor or fairness in killing an animal simply out of vengeance or for pleasure. From many of the comments supporting hunting of wolves I see these sentiments. Traditionally we hunted for food, and members of my family also hunted for food.
I wont say all, but a few of the responses that my comment provoked were quite interesting, and I do accept my ignorance (to some extent) as compared to a few of you. My uncle was a hunter however, and I have spent a good deal of my youth with him, so I am no stranger to hunting. I do agree that I will need to do more research, but I also firmly believe that if its out of interests of conservation there are better ways to go about it.

Quote Hawk: “We hunters are well aware of our role as fellow predators and unlike the wolf we manage our habitats and care about our impact. ”
Really??? We humans have sure done a great job of preserving our habitat and minimizing our impact. We’ve only wiped out a few forests, polluted a few water bodies, made a few holes in the ozone layer and so on. It’s got to be the wolves that have a more damaging impact on nature than us humans right?

Quote” granted there are some hunters without honor and ethics, I assure you.. rarely will you hear a hunter say something like ..KILLHUMANS”

So its dishonorable and unethical to say ‘kill humans’ but its okay to say kill wolves or any other species that you see fit to be killed? Does this stem from some misplaced sense of superiority? DO you believe your species to be more important that all the others in the animal kingdom? Somehow humans only value life when it’s human life.
I did find some of your info interesting though and I shall try and do some research myself.

Terry Mayfield, sick sensationalism and cheap gimmickry don’t account for much. I could send you links and photographs of a lot more disturbing scenes, with humans as the perpetrators of cruelty on other humans. No species is capable of greater cruelty, and that too intentional.

From what most of you seem to be saying it would appear that wolves have no role in nature and are in fact like a plague, when that couldn’t be further from the truth. Maybe wolves are a problem cause they’re hunting livestock that hunters would normally hunt, depriving you of a good hunt. Here are some findings from Yellowstone and Olympic national parks http://www.physorg.com/news135005962.html
You can mail me at shaunschon@yahoo.com, if you have doubts about my being a real person.

By: Tom Sorenson

Tom Sorenson — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:56:56 +0000

Heiko – Where did you get the opinion that wolves keep nature in balance? Evidence would support the fact that wolves do the exact opposite – they destroy the balance in nature. It’s rather simple – they have no natural predators, except humans, so obviously, if left to their own devices they will – and have – destroy all other wildlife. This is not opinion, this is fact. Look at these numbers, bearing in mind that the wolves were introduced here in Idaho in 1994. http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/apps/releases/view.cfm?NewsID=5332

and from this link: http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/wildlife/manage_issues/ung/ comes this quote:
“In the Lolo Elk Management Zone in the Clearwater Region, however, predation by wolves is responsible for most of the deaths of adult female elk and more than half of the deaths of six-month-old calves.”

By: Heiko Varschen

Heiko Varschen — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:39:41 +0000

Shame on you! And shame on all others who can’t wait to do the same. Wolfs keep nature in balance, not humans! You destroy it. And you even have a picture of it. Feeling strong now, right?

@ Cory Glauner: a thousand years ago they had to hunt to survive. Now they hunt for fun. For the kick. Times have changed, stop finding despicable excuses for your weak intelligence.

By: Tom Sorenson

Tom Sorenson — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:22:20 +0000

Brilliant – and original, Dennis. No hunter has ever heard that argument before! Please educate yourself on hunting before you spout off. Thank you.

By: Dennis

Dennis — Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:27:01 +0000

Instead of 75 feet away with a high powered rifle,why not try and face them without a firearm and see what kind of “MAN” you really are you weekend warrior wannabe hunter Oh that’s right it wouldn’t be fare. Get a clue and learn about sterilization (for you not the wolf) and Guarenteed this will be a better world